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MithranArkanere · Jul 28, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Sounds nice to me.

One god way to do so is by setting two separate Tabs in the Hero panel:
- Character Titles
- Account Titles.

PvE achievement titles would appear only in the Character tab.
PvP titles would appear only in the Account tab.

And PvE grind titles would appear in Both, at first in the Character tab, and once maxed, also in the Account tab.

That way a character would be able to keep its own Sunspear rank, that would be used for plot, while using the Account Sunspear rank for skills.

jiggles · Jul 28, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Quite frankly GW is less grind then the average MMO. The kind of a big deal title tack is completely optional and should not be made easier to get purely so everyone who got it previousl is punished for having dedication, and the people who continue to get it get rewarded for being less dedicated.

Can we have this thread closed now please?

and for the record am i not a Gwamm so dont think im talking about this because im whining about me.

MithranArkanere · Jul 28, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by jiggles

Quite frankly GW is less grind then the average MMO. The kind of a big deal title tack is completely optional and should not be made easier to get purely so everyone who got it previousl is punished for having dedication, and the people who continue to get it get rewarded for being less dedicated.

Can we have this thread closed now please?

and for the record am i not a Gwamm so dont think im talking about this because im whining about me.

Yet still, "even less grind" is better that just "a bit less grind".

Johny bravo · Jul 28, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Here we go again. I should just cut and paste from the weekly thread created onthis.

/notsigned.
While GW itself is not a grind based game, titles are. You don't have to grind to play the game. All essential skill, weapons, and armor are accessable and affordable.
Titles are a bonus time waster for those who want to do more in the game to progress their character. If titles were account wide they would be easier to get because doing cart. with a sin is a hell of a lot easier then with a necro. same with chest running. On the other hand other titles would be easier on a monk or ele. The idea is that your one character has done all these things which is why your one character is "known". Chest running is a purely grind self gratification title. No one runs 10,000 chests for pure fun (ok most people there might be one who would)

Also While we are at it why can we get fame for the first Zaishen battle HoH. Its not fair that I beat a team and don't get any credit for it.

Richardt · Jul 28, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

I'm not in favor of this idea. And the reason I am is that alot of these titles are stupid easy to get.

Want to use Norn skills to great effect on a character? DO THE WORK!

Already got it maxed on another character? Do it again! It's not hard to max out these titles-hell, the vast majority of PvE skills are effective at rank5-and you can get that by completing whatever side rep you need, plus turning in a completed Heroes Handbook-in NM to boot! I got rank8 vanguard on my paragon (after maxing it on my warrior) within a week of playing casually-and the skill I needed became pretty effective at rank5-which I got within 2 days-again playing casually.

The only titles I would be in support of being account wide is Treasure Hunter and Wisdom. The rest should stay as is.

And to the OP-we get these threads pretty often. Instead of making a new one, just post in an old one.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Johny bravo

Here we go again. I should just cut and paste from the weekly thread created onthis.

/notsigned.
While GW itself is not a grind based game, titles are. You don't have to grind to play the game. All essential skill, weapons, and armor are accessable and affordable.

STOP FAILING!!! WHY YOU ARE FAILING!!!! STOP IT NOW!!! OR MORE KITTENS WILL DIEEEE!!!

/signed

I dont freakin' want to waste time playing 7 character when some jerks play 1 character and reap benefits. I didn't see anything on my game's box about ,,play 1 character or be f'ed up''.

anonymous · Jul 28, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

STOP FAILING!!! WHY YOU ARE FAILING!!!! STOP IT NOW!!! OR MORE KITTENS WILL DIEEEE!!!

/signed

I dont freakin' want to waste time playing 7 character when some jerks play 1 character and reap benefits. I didn't see anything on my game's box about ,,play 1 character or be f'ed up''.

Thats how it is in almost every single other game. You play one character at the expense of others. 7 characters aren't supposed to be the same as 1 character because they aren't. No one is forcing you to play 7 characters, play 1 and stick with it. If I grind a character to level 70 in WoW, do all my other characters deserve to be level 70 too? No, because I didn't play them.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Thats how it is in almost every single other game. You play one character at the expense of others. 7 characters aren't supposed to be the same as 1 character because they aren't. No one is forcing you to play 7 characters, play 1 and stick with it. If I grind a character to level 70 in WoW, do all my other characters deserve to be level 70 too? No, because I didn't play them.

If grind was fun, I wouldn't complain, as I played Diablo 2 for eight years and not bored.

Grind in GW is boring, repetitive, mindkilling, kittenslaughtering and f'ing lame. Besides, I still remind you that one of the promises behind GW was ,,two characters at same level and with same equipment (not exactly same, but with possibility to have same) will have equal chances, but skilled player will be stronger''. Maybe you will tell me farmer is more skilled than... skilled player, or that swayer/ritspiker farming r9 is more skilled than r6 playing balanced?

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play 1 and stick with it.

Now you are forcing me to delete 6 characters and play only one.

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I didn't play them.

The point OP is making is - why do we have to do the same stupid and lame thing 7 times if we already did it once? Technically, you did farm as Wurm Sunspear r10/lightbringer r8, right? So how is wurm nr.1 with w/e different than wurm nr.2 with mo/n? IT'S NOT. Or Ursan nr. 1 different from ursan nr. 2? Bingo, it's not. It's like making you walk the same path to school every day, even if you wanted to drive to it.

Lishy · Jul 28, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Before you start with the Reputation title track QQing, please acknowledge that they are merely examples.
This is about accomplishments and the maxed title track("People know me") in general.
To get that title, it is unfair to be limited to one character if you already maxed enough titles, but not on the same character.
That, and it would be more to the "anti-grind" feature in guild wars.

I suggest a spot in the hero panel for "Maxed titles"

Snow Bunny · Jul 28, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Oh well, /signed

I'd prefer ANet to make their game more interesting then not.

Johny bravo · Jul 28, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

So Rep titles was a bad example. Then tell me how my warrior gets more "wisdom" when my necro ID's titles or how he becomes an "expert treasure hunter when he never opens chests. Will i ever get max wisdom or treasure hunter, maybe I run 30 chests a day and I am at 1800. If i get it cool if not then so be it. One toon shouldn't get credit for stuff you do on another toon. I mean don't get me wrong it would have been nice if i could farm golden eggs with my ele so my necro could advance in treasure hunting but that makes no sense. I mean while your at it can my ele get the 14 mil + exp I have on my necro so he has more skill points.

As for your non-grind statment. Max titles have little effect on gameplay. Most titles are just as effective near max then maxxed and it is usually that last tier that is a grind. But hey if it makes you feel better whine away.

Lishy · Jul 28, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Johny Bravo, you misunderstand. A warrior opening a chest wont give you "More wisdon"
It will just allow you to own the max title once it reaches max. It would also contribute towards "People know me" Therefor allowing you to have more freedom in playing multiple characters instead of trying to get all your titles fit onto one sole character.

That doesn't make sense? Go complain to ANET on how Kain Fz will have have Legendary Survivor displayed in HoM when Kain Xd did all the work.

Don Doggy · Jul 28, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

/signed
Most titles should be account wide.

Johny bravo · Jul 29, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I don't think legendary survivor should be an account wide title either, but I am not going to complain to ANET to change it. I just find it funny how everyone complains about how ANET is making everything to easy. Ursan, SF, PVE only skills, but then they want Anet to make it easier to get an titles. The whole idea of the people know me title is to make it difficult to get. It requires money, time, and effort. It is supposed to be a goal for a character not an account. Dumbing it down makes it lose its stature, kind of like FoW, everyone has now it so it doesn't stand out anymore. You do that with the KoaBD title track and you won't see someone with that title and go Damn that took a lot of effort.

The only titles that should be account wide are PvP titles because everyone changes professions so often to fill different roles.

cellardweller · Jul 29, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

It serves a purpose for grindmonkeys to aim for and doesn't take anything away from people that don't achieve it - I don't see the point in making a purely cosmetic effect easier to achieve. If you were proposing to make one of the game affecting titles like reps account wide you'd have my support.

/unsigned.

BabyJ · Jul 29, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

So by your logic my monk that has legendary vanquisher title my Rit that hasnt even finished a campaign should have it also? Or, legendary skill hunter, even tho my rit only has a couple of elites, should have max skill hunter also? Even the rep titles, my necro hasnt even touched any spot in eotn except boreal station and Eye of the north, should have max rank rep titles? I think not. The HoM will be made account wide and I think thats good enough. My other characters that haven't done the work to gain max rank titles shouldn't reap the benefits (ranks in KoaBD title track) of my other characters max titles.

Dograzor · Jul 29, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

/signed, grinding on 1 char is already killing me

D E C E P T I V E · Jul 29, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

/signed

agree

Dr.Jones · Jul 29, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

/signed 100% i have been bring this up in other treads everywhere.

Johny bravo · Jul 29, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

While you at it can all the areas you unlock be account wide too? I don't think I should have to beat all the campaigns on every character to get access to all the areas. And skill I mean if I unlock them on one character they should be unlocked on all my characters so I don't have to pay to get them again, like heroes. Also I have 2 accounts so its not fair that I grind the titles out on one character and both my accounts don't get credit.

Again you seem to be missing the point. Titles were created to set goals for characters that have already done everything. Stop trying to dumb everything down.